Why was the sinking of a badly-designed tourist submarine a bigger story than any of the existential events going on in the world? Because the sub-plosion hurt the ruling families of GAE, obviously. But details were curiously slow to emerge.
When I finally got the passenger roster, one name on it explained everything. But first, why Stockton Rush was interested in the Titanic in the first place.
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The OceanGate executive who was piloting the submersible on its fateful Sunday dive is married to the descendent of a couple who died in the very shipwreck his expedition aimed to see.
OceanGate founder and CEO Stockton Rush is married to Wendy Rush, the great-great-granddaughter of Isidor and Ida Straus, who choose to remain onboard the sinking Titanic together so that others could escape to safety in their place.
Bullshit the Jewish bankers stayed on the Titanic out of altruism for goyim.
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Isidor Straus (February 6, 1845 – April 15, 1912) was a Bavarian-born American Jewish businessman, politician and co-owner of Macy’s department store with his brother Nathan.
When the newly formed Mutual Alliance Trust Company opened for business in New York on the Tuesday after June 29, 1902, there were 13 directors, including Emanuel Lehman, William Rockefeller, Cornelius Vanderbilt, and Straus.
The most altruistic people on the planet!
Now for the roster.
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The mother of Suleman Dawood, the 19-year-old who died with his father in the Titanic submersible, said she originally planned to join her husband on the vessel’s fateful dive, but let her son go instead.
Christine Dawood told the BBC on Sunday that she and her husband, British-Pakistani multimillionaire Shahzada Dawood, initially booked spots for themselves to see the wreck of the Titanic, but that their trip was canceled due to the COVID-19 pandemic.
She said that when the Dawoods embarked on this year’s mission, she “stepped back” to instead give her teenage son a chance to visit the shipwreck “because he really wanted to go,” per the BBC.
You know what’s colder than the Titanic’s resting place?
Dawood’s comments contrast the remarks made on Thursday by Suleman Dawood’s aunt, Azmeh Dawood, who told NBC News that the teenager was “terrified” when he joined his father on the trip to the Titanic’s wreck.
The aunt, who is the older sister of Shahzada Dawood, said her nephew “wasn’t very up for it” but embarked on the trip to impress his father.
…Mommy reportedly sent her son to his death, then lied about it.
Shahzada and Suleman Dawood went missing on June 18, alongside two other passengers and a pilot when the Titan disappeared less than two hours into its dive to the Titanic.
The other three passengers on board were British billionaire Hamish Harding, former French navy diver Paul-Henri Nargeolet, and Stockton Rush, the CEO of the company that runs tours in the submersible.
Three billionaire usurpers of Britain, the wealthy company owner/pilot… but that last name is not like the others.
Nargeolet was the kind of old white male that Rush famously said he didn’t want to hire. He was a heavily experienced submariner with two popular documentaries about the Titanic and credits for finding other wrecks.
Yeah… he’s already been to the Titanic wreck, possibly more than any other man alive, but THIS time, he was NOT the pilot?
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15 April 2022
[translated from French]
Paul-Henri Nargeolet, 76, has more than 30 dives at 41° 43′ 59″ north, 49° 57′ 36″ west. Where rests, since the freezing night of April 14 to 15, 1912 , the giant of the British seas. Although he did not discover the wreckage, he remains the first, with his colleagues from the Nautile midget submarine , to bring up the remains of the liner at the end of July 1987. Since then, according to the missions, he has brought back more of 5,800 objects. Including a large part of those exhibited in Cherbourg.
Since the 1980s, he has searched wrecks: the Whale , the Moon , the Magenta … and not only boats: in 2010, he participated in the search for black boxes from the flight Rio – Paris, disappeared off Brazil.
Nargeolet’s presence on this ship… he was not a billionaire and was already familiar enough with this particular wreck that it would have no tourist appeal… strongly suggests that the purpose of this dive was not to visit the Titanic, but to grave-rob it on behalf of British-Pakistani billionaires.
Secrecy would explain A LOT of the unusual personnel choices, allergy to official inspection/certification and… unusual construction methods…
Unique applications of carbon materials in infrared stealth: A review
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Carbon materials have revolutionized the field of stealth technology with their intriguing properties, such as low weight, large specific surface area, high mechanical strength and good electrical conductivity. The advancement of infrared stealth is particularly critical in order to counter the threat of infrared detection and the deadly strike of precision guidance. The employment of carbon black, carbon nanotubes or graphene offers attractive opportunities to synthesize lightweight, versatile and intelligent infrared stealth materials… The future prospects of carbon-based composites for next-generation infrared stealth materials are presented.
The carbon-fiber hull was reportedly built by Spencer Composites. Poking around their website, I notice that one of their offered products is… carbon-fiber radomes. Which of course, must be transparent to radar.
Why was the sub made of expensive & unprecedented carbon fiber instead of proven steel?
And why was the sub fitted with acoustic sensors across the hull? The official reason was early detection of the hull cracking under stress, which was nonsense. At “Titanic” pressures, the time gap between hull crack and implosion is milliseconds.
Because the sub was built for stealth. To visit the Titanic in secret. With a “passenger” who had retrieved more objects from the Titanic wreck than anybody else alive. On behalf of billionaires who wanted to pick out their souvenir firsthand, thus guaranteeing its legitimacy?
Then this happened:
Well… at least avoiding safety inspections got them the secrecy they wanted. Or it would have, if they hadn’t slipped the name of Paul-Henri Nargeolet.
You know what’s even colder than Mrs. Dawood lying about forcing her son to go to his death? The great-granddaughter of a man who died on the Titanic, grave-robbing her own ancestor’s grave.
Wow.
And then they hired a bunch of chicks on the crew to keep a secret.
Saw an interesting tidbit that what would be billionaires today who opposed the formation of the Federal Reserve were onboard the Titanic.
Another one said they got the carbon fiber at bargain basement from Boeing because it was past the time for safe usage.
The mommie dearest reminds me of the worried draft age son saying I don’t want to go to war with the mom saying don’t be selfish, I don’t like Putin.
Sorry Gunner, but you’re off-track on a few things in this one. The construction of the Titan wasn’t remotely stealthy. Radar isn’t used underwater and, no, carbon composites don’t do crap for stealth. I work in the aerospace industry and can attest to the fact that carbon composites are thought of by many as a panacea material. Those of us with more experience believe it would be a terrible material for a submarine. I suspect it was partly chosen for cost reasons – the hull was laid up by winding unitape around a mandrel, which is all computerized. As for acoustic sensors everywhere on the hull: they are indeed intended to listen for cracking noises, but not cracking that would imply imminent implosion. They are intended to listen for the “snap, crackle and pop” that carbon fiber structures make when heavily stressed.
As soon as I found out this sub was made of the stuff I was appalled because I have a lot of experience with the material. It is anisotropic, meaning it doesn’t have the same strength in every direction. It is also far less rigid than steel, meaning less stable. The Titan’s hull was 5 inches thick which, when compared to it’s diameter of 95 inches, means it was a “thin walled” vessel. This means it is guaranteed to have stability problems. Stability risk with a flexible, thin-walled vessel. Carbon fiber is also, in my opinion, an extremely poor choice for a pressure vessel because of delamination and water intrusion concerns. Metal-to-carbon interfaces are notoriously difficult and unreliable.
So what is the real reason he made it of carbon fiber? It was cool and it was cheap. It is the trendy “new” and “cool” material and many engineers who haven’t had much real-world experience with it believe it’s a super-material. It is not. Is to engineers what Afghanistan is to an invader.
The structure was designed with a safety factor of 2.25. The minimum safety factor that is supposed to be used when human life is at stake is 5.0 or more. The design team was given six weeks to design and analyze the hull. That means the design and analysis was rushed. I can tell you from personal experience that, under time-pressure like that, there is no way that shortcuts weren’t taken. With a low safety factor and an unstable material, there was a statistical likelihood of stability failure. Everyone says the submarine “imploded”, but the reality is that it “collapsed”. It was strong enough; it wasn’t stable enough. Because it was a stability failure, that means that every time they dove there was a chance that it could collapse. And it finally did. I haven’t watched a single youtube video about the accident, save one: that was right after they “found” the wreckage when James Cameron went public with the information that the deep-sea community was instantly aware that the sub had collapsed because the transponder went silent right as a loud bang was heard all over the ocean. So I want to know why the Coast Guard was pretending to look for it all week.
I can’t comment on the Frenchman, other than that I understand he was well liked and respected in the shipwreck community.
Concerning the Strausses: I don’t know about them specifically – what is the source for their motivation? Was their altruism an urban legend or is it know through eyewitness testimony?
I recommend reading Jack Thayer’s account off the sinking and taking a good hard look at the conduct of the people on board. From what I could tell, the men acted with courage and bravery and the women (most of the survivors were women) were selfish cowards that refused to help people out of the water.
It wasn’t a panacea-material fetish because that doesn’t explain Rush refusing to even test the material, to the point that his techs resigned in protest, forget third-party certification. He should have been proud to see those test results, right? Eager to show the world how smart he was? But he didn’t let anybody who knew submarines, get a good look at his sub.
“So what is the real reason he made it of carbon fiber? It was cool and it was cheap.”
Hmm, I heard the hull was expensive, and his techs were surprised when it arrived with a thickness of five inches instead of seven. It would have had to be expensive just because this was an entirely new, high-performance application of the technology. Only one other CF sub had ever been built, and to lesser specs.
“So I want to know why the Coast Guard was pretending to look for it all week.”
Cleanup time. The investigation doesn’t start until the rescue effort stops. I bet there’s no surviving list of Rush’s previous clients, and no inspection team would have found relic-gathering equipment on the support vessel. I also saw a headline that Biden personally delayed the announcement for political timing, but didn’t believe it because it implied Biden makes his own decisions.
Anyway, either Rush was beyond reckless into death-wish territory, and somehow found top-dollar-paying tourists who didn’t care about his recklessness, or this was a criminal operation.
Regarding Strauss, I confess to assigning guilt by association. An Old-World, Jewish banking ally of Lehman and Rockefeller? Good enough for me. I’ve seen too many “hello, fellow white people! I am your new multimillionaire ruler, just like you!” stories, and his Tribe has committed far too many ethnic treacheries over far too many generations, for me to presume compassion for outsiders. It would be textbook Semitism for his surviving peers to invent a heroic story about him post-mortem. It makes the Tribe look good while being hard to disprove.
His descendent being associated with a questionable scheme to help foreign-loyal billionaires visit the Titanic, did absolutely nothing to change my mind.
Very interesting thoughts and I think you are pretty close to the truth. I do think mommy dawood was probably scared herself and told hubby to take the boy instead, not realizing the danger, but now covering for her own justifiable fears. I can just imagine it: “ honey, guess what I got you for our anniversary? I know how much you love collecting antique china & such… well I booked you a trip to an extremely rare antique shopping market!”
Just him being a dude. But she probably replied with something like, “your out of your mind! No way I’m going 12,000 feet under water. Why don’t you take junior. He’ll love it and it will be such a memorable adventure for the two of you!”
I totally get her reluctance to climb into that thing, but if what the aunt says is true then it indicates a moral code consistent with my theory.
My coworkers and I had a debate at work yesterday about whether the kid was really terrified. Two of the others said, “At 17, he probably just trusted his dad and thought it was fine.” But me and one other guy came down on, “I didn’t really trust my dad like that when I was that age.” I suspect the kid was terrified. That does imply a twisted moral code for sure. But given how poor a country Pakistan is, how is Dawood a billionaire? You should check that out 😀 Some of the coincidences are fascinating!
It’s a case of what do you get someone who already has access to anything they want(?). You get them something nobody else can get access to.
And the French guy probably got a nice retirement offer to play the personal shopping guide.
There is no way the hull could be as expensive as a well made steel hull. They got their material from Boeing because Boeing couldn’t use it. The prepreg was expired (which is the usual reason for getting rid of it). We have had to deal with this at my company all the time. As for Rush’s questionable decisions regarding the stress analysis of the vehicle, low safety factors, discount/expired material – this doesn’t say anything more nefarious than stuff that goes on at Northrop Grumman or Boeing all the time. No one said that the people in “leadership” were smart. And they are notorious for not listening to the people that work for them. Now I’m not suggesting that Stockton Rush had a panacea CF fetish, I’m simply saying that’s a mentality among younger, inexperienced engineers who haven’t had to build a vehicle from it and seen how difficult it is to use.
That submarine was NOT stealthy. I know how stealthy subs work, and that’s not it. Additionally, you can’t hide sub that’s talking to a surface vessel that is also not stealthy. That being said, it’s also pointless: retrieving artifacts from the Titanic or other shipwrecks is not something one would need stealth for. I suspect it’s not even illegal at Titanic because it’s outside of any country’s exclusive economic waters. Were they retrieving artifacts? Possibly. Perhaps even probably.
Again, I don’t know anything about the Strausses. What I DO know is that many, many men aboard the Titanic behaved in an orderly fashion and refused to get on boats in place of women. Good or bad, men were more heroic in those days, not soymen cowed by the State, as they are all today. On the other hand, why would Mrs. Strauss refuse to get on a boat? Contemporary accounts paint a picture of most of the boats being filled with women who then refused to help people out of the water. Was Mrs. Strauss so very different from the rest of her peers? I doubt it. If the Strausses were not Americans then I suspect the narrative is a lie.
Be fair. Those could be pop-rivets, not screws. They tried 3m commander sticky pads but it was unreliable in the humid environment…
I want to know why the Coast Guard was pretending to look for it all week.
Even if the Navy had reported hearing “what sounded like an implosion” on Sunday, the rescue search would have continued.
It had to continue. The public would have expected and demanded it.
“But how can you be sure they’re dead?” the Twitterverse would have screamed?